It seems that the bit of my post where I suggest that charitable works don’t change anything is causing some discomfort as well as getting me called a “privileged asshole” who “talks a good talk about class oppression but never does a single solitary thing to end it” – hey, thanks for your informed insight there.
I’d like to make a few things clear.
• I am not slagging off charitable work. I am more than well aware that, without volunteers, many organisations that support women wouldn’t be able to function as they are under-valued, under-funded and under-staffed. I know this from personal experience.
• I am not slagging off commitment to volunteering – two hours a week from someone who genuinely believes in the aims of an organisation achieves more than ten hours a week from someone who’s not that bothered. I also know this from personal experience.
• I am not criticising any individual – anywhere – for the type of voluntary work they do or the time they spend doing it.
• I am not coming from a ‘more feminist than thou’ perspective. (I don’t understand how that could even be read into what I wrote but if that’s how you care to interpret my disclosure about what it’s like for me, hey…what can I say?).
• I am not suggesting that volunteering within organisations that help women is unfeminist or that it doesn’t constitute activism. (Again, I have no clue where that interpretation came from.)
I am suggesting, however, that charitable works do not a feminist make. Not everyone who works as a volunteer with women approaches their role from a feminist viewpoint. For example: a counsellor volunteering at a women’s refuge (shelter) where the ethos was one of enabling women to realise their self determination asked of her severely traumatised client who was seeking healing from her experiences of abuse, “what about your husband’s feelings in all this?” A feminist approach? I wouldn’t say so.
I am aware that motives for volunteering are not necessarily always altruistic. It is my experience that agencies that work with abused women can attract a particular kind of abusive women both as paid and unpaid workers. Feminist? Again, my answer would be ‘no’.
To make my position clear (in case anyone should interpret this as me blowing my own trumpet): I’m a paid worker in a not for profit organisation that supports abused women and I spend a fair chunk of my spare time volunteering with another organisation that helps women overcome experiences of violence. Both organisations have charitable status. I am not criticising charitable works.
But let’s face it, I spend most of my time mopping up the mess. I spend most of my time helping women to pick themselves up, get their lives back together, start healing and moving on. There is an endless stream of women queuing up for the help offered by the organisations I work with. There are not enough refuge spaces to accommodate all the women and children who need them. Rape crisis and childhood sexual abuse counselling centres have waiting lists that are months, sometimes years, long. Thousands upon thousands of women in the UK alone are dependent on the work of voluntary organisations for their survival.
Mopping up the mess is ‘nice’ (to quote my previous post) when it’s done by voluntary organisations, charities, because it doesn’t cost the tax payer as much as it would were it a statutory responsibility and it goes some way in hiding a lot of society’s ills. By far the majority of women in refuges and women who use rape crisis centres have never involved a statutory agency. The British Crime Survey can only estimate the number of unreported incidents of domestic abuse or rape – both estimates constitute a far higher percentage of incidents than those that are reported. Those in power and those who choose to are enabled to downplay or ignore the extent of the problem by the simple fact that voluntary organisations struggle on, mopping up the mess.
Last year some government think-tank in the UK (I forget who now but I’ll find you a link if you need one) suggested that men who apologise for having beaten their partner should be considered dealt with. Was funding for refuge groups increased? No. Was funding made available so that more refuges could open? No. A Home Office Select Committee Report in 1976 recommended that there should be one refuge space per ten thousand head of the population. Are we anywhere near that thirty years on? No.
Rape Crisis groups are closing due to lack of funding while a tiny amount of government money is being put into Sexual Assault and Rape Centres – the all singing, all dancing, one stop shop for survivors of sexual violence – that women are frightened to go to because they believe they will be ‘encouraged’ to formally report a crime due to the police involvement in SARCs. What’s the point of going through all the trauma of examinations, statements and a possible court case when the odds are your rapist will walk – conviction rate in the UK is around 5% – and that’s if it even gets to court. Police have recently been criticised for “no criming” allegations of rape and sexual assault without completing a proper investigation. Statutory agency recovery services for women affected by experiences of sexual violence? Virtually nil unless you come to the attention of the mental health professionals who will simply offer drugs; no talking therapies.
And all the while more and more women are seeking the help of women only voluntary organisations because that’s where the best help is.
I fully acknowledge that the work I do doesn’t change a damn thing in the great scheme of things. Individual lives, maybe, yes – but that’s about as much as any of us can do. It doesn’t stop the numbers needing help from rising though. It doesn’t do anything stop the violence and brutality occcuring in the first place. It doesn’t even make a dent in ending the oppression of women. Nor does it make me a feminist by virtue of the fact that I do it.
If any of this makes me a ‘fundamentalist’ well then, hey, I guess I must be. But, like I said, nice just doesn’t cut it.
I hope I’ve adequately addressed any misunderstandings.
28 responses so far ↓
dreamy5 // February 8, 2007 at 4:21 am |
Oh I hate that. I hate the idea that we have to pass some “test” to be a feminist. Feminists come in may forms (and I am one to include men in that category although I understand and respect the other viewpoint). But I hate the narrow, rigid mindset that in essence says “think like me or you are not a ‘good enough’ feminist.” Oddly, I’ve encountered this attitude in men who want to tell me how to a feminist too.
Well, until there is a test to take, resulting in some sort of license –maybe we can have special cards? and a special secret handshake? — a feminist is someone who promotes the equality of women and men. “Feminist” rather than humanist or mascluinist because it is currently women who are disadvantaged and in need of reparation.
Oh, and once we do have a test and a license…count me out. Feminists will no longer be feminists! To me, the essence of feminism — when all the bs is stripped away — is choice. CHOICE.
It would seem that someone truly committed to feminism would do “charitable works” when possible. But unless you have the underlying philosophy of equality for women (socially, economically, politically) a femnist you are not. Likewise there are feminists who do not do charitable works. A woman committed to the cause who is poor and bedridden…is she not a feminist?
What happened to us?
dreamy5 // February 8, 2007 at 4:22 am |
Damn typos.
RenegadeEvolution // February 8, 2007 at 4:47 am |
“To me, the essence of feminism — when all the bs is stripped away — is choice. CHOICE.”
nodding here.
WW- point taken and I get the frusteration. Tonight on the local news they interviewed a female police officer who was encouraging women to report instances of rape and domestic abuse, and she added how unfair it has been that often they are not taken seriously, at all, unless the women is pretty badly injured…she also mentioned her annoyance with the way rape victims are treated by both the police and the judicial system…
In the interview it was mentioned a lot of victims (obviously) feel more comfortable talking to a female officer…maybe more female cops would be a good start, in more ways than one.
mistermorgan // February 8, 2007 at 4:54 am |
Men can just APOLOGISE, and it’s case closed. What in the – ? Is that a wise precedent to set?
Well, being a man myself, I’d like to apologise for all the suffering patriarchy has caused these past twenty-thousand or so years. Yeah, our bad. You can all go home now.
dreamy5 – I couldn’t agree more. The one thing we can all agree on is that feminism is about attaining equality for all women. The problem is that people confuse the worthiness of the ultimate goal with the worthiness of their methods.
Conservative feminists, pro-porn feminists, pro-war feminists, feminist opponents of Islam (but not of Christianity). If someone’s feminism demonstrably fails to help women, then feminism it most certainly is not. Doesn’t matter how much they wanted it to work.
piny // February 8, 2007 at 6:39 am |
The reason the post pissed me off was that you seemed to be talking to women who do self-identify as feminist, and who see their volunteer work in the context of feminism. Why else would you have to argue against the idea that charitable works do make someone feminist? Who would make that assertion in the first place? You also didn’t just talk about yourself; you talked about what you were feeling as though they couldn’t possibly feel the same way. I’m sorry I misinterpreted your post, but that’s why.
Laurelin // February 8, 2007 at 7:39 am |
Great post Witchy. I have no idea how anyone managed to read into the last post the crap they did. It showed complete ignorance of you and your writing.
Rock on, sister. You’re inspirational.
Kim // February 8, 2007 at 11:27 am |
I feel REALLY REALLY bad about all this.
Perhaps, lesson learned, unfortunatlely with you as my “teacher,” Witchy, not that you signed up for the job.
I think, with this, I’m going to try very very hard to cease this Blog War stuff. It doesn’t end up making me feel good, to say nothing of what it may do to others.
I’m just so sorry about all of this.
I tried to make my post as respectful as I could while allowing my POV to be heard but things just got ugly in the comments.
witchywoo // February 8, 2007 at 11:36 am |
Thanks for that, Kim – and your post was respectful. My feelings haven’t been hurt and everything is as it was as far as I’m concerned.
If anything, I could’ve been a bit more clear in my original post so I’ve learned something as well.
Kim // February 8, 2007 at 12:28 pm |
Oh, I’m so relieved to hear you say that.
(Holding up a big, pink Clanger for you as further apology.)
Laurelin // February 8, 2007 at 1:08 pm |
Wow, a Clanger! I want one!
mistermorgan // February 8, 2007 at 1:29 pm |
Yup Laurelin. Jump in too early and get the wooden spoon, but if you hold out until just the right moment…
the coveted Pink Clanger is yours!
simplywondered // February 8, 2007 at 7:28 pm |
mum said i could have the bloody clanger to take to college – ah well, don’t suppose another broken promise will make me any more twisted; i’m so off to dazza’s….
if only i can find her to borrow a tenner…
mum?
sparklematrix // February 8, 2007 at 10:31 pm |
Heard you first time witchy
sparklematrix // February 8, 2007 at 10:33 pm |
Oh, yeah and I loove the clangers
whooot toooot
What happend to them?
Midgetqueen // February 8, 2007 at 10:40 pm |
Hear, friggin’ hear!
Sarah (Ethically Speaking) // February 9, 2007 at 3:45 pm |
Sparkle, I’m sure you can get Clangers on video or dvd now….
womensspace // February 9, 2007 at 6:31 pm |
What’s a Clanger? :/
And so true every last word you wrote there witchy-woo (and btw, strength to you in the work you do, I know how exhausting and draining and so, so discouraging it is all of the time, cleaning up the messes men make, watching the men in government, police, men in power, make yet more messes for us to clean up that they’ve made, enraging, really).
Your post brought to mind this horrifying character on the old Ms Boards whose name I would shudder to type (but it starts with “S” for those of you who were around back then). He was an absolute misogynist par excellence. He had been a pornography reviewer for two decades, knew porn actors and actresses and their movies like some people know, what, baseball cards, attacked anti-pornography feminists in the most dishonest and hateful of ways all of the time, but called himself a “feminist” because he paid $50 to join NOW and because he supported abortion.
I don’t care WHAT that guy did that, if a feminist did it, would be feminist work. He did it so that he could enlist it in the cause of actually destroying feminism and hurting women, by strolling in to places where women were discussing their own liberation and letting loose with the most foul stuff imaginable, then justifying it by saying he did abortion rights work and was a member of NOW.
Anyway, what I often used to say to him, before I stopped talking to him, was, “Sitting in the garage, doesn’t make you a car, anymore than carrying around a NOW card and working for abortion rights makes you a feminist.”
Which is all to say, your point is very well taken.
Heart
Sarah (Ethically Speaking) // February 9, 2007 at 6:35 pm |
Clangers were small, pink, knitted characters on UK childrens TV. I grew up with them. They didn’t speak, they whistled.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pair-of-Soft-Toy-Whistling-Clangers_W0QQitemZ270087446008QQihZ017QQcategoryZ97090QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
simplywondered // February 9, 2007 at 11:45 pm |
only her inner circle know that witchy is the soup dragon
Sarah (Ethically Speaking) // February 9, 2007 at 11:56 pm |
Nah, she’s the iron space chicken….
simplywondered // February 10, 2007 at 12:20 am |
nobody is that cool
witchywoo // February 10, 2007 at 12:24 am |
Oh yes they are, m’boy….
Thanks Heart
Sarah (Ethically Speaking) // February 10, 2007 at 12:26 am |
SW – this is Witchy! Only she could possibly be THAT cool!
stormy // February 10, 2007 at 12:28 am |
“Sitting in the garage, doesn’t make you a car, anymore than carrying around a NOW card and working for abortion rights makes you a feminist.”
Brilliant Heart !
simplywondered // February 10, 2007 at 9:21 pm |
‘Oh yes they are, m’boy….’
– well obviously lazza is, but i don’t think he watches the clangers. he did sit in the garage thinking he was a car last week, though, after the mushrooms.
but razza got them at sainsburys, so woocheeahhhh double-sickened on him…
witchywoo // February 10, 2007 at 10:21 pm |
razza’s nang
simplywondered // February 10, 2007 at 11:19 pm |
hurrr hurrr hurrrr
not quite past it yet, mum
witchywoo // February 10, 2007 at 11:22 pm |
not even nearly…. so you just watch your step.